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Brian Macker

Vavoom,

I see you're back.

Your reply is typical online forum evasiveness. At this point I really don't think you are interested in the truth.

Here are your tactics so far:
1) Create a straw man argument and attack it. I did not say Islam was a cult. I said it had cult like attributes. It is obviously a religion. It's premises are absolutely vile however. I am reading the Koran BTW.
2) Pick a single issue to harp on to the exclusion of everything else.
3) Ignore all other content, even content that applies to the one area. For instance, please explain to me why suicide for 72 virgins does not count as cultish behavior. It is Muhammed himself in the Koran that demands Muslims to kill infidels whether they like it or not, and he give a bounty for suicidal self-sacrific to boot.
4) Point at bad behavior of others to excuse the behavior of your group. How does other religions having certain cultish attributes get Islam off the hook? Furthermore, the cultish attributes of other religions are not the most harmful. Hell even then meaning of the word Islam, submission, is cultish.
5) Arguing from authority. You present yourself as an authority. Like that carries any weight with me.

Since you want me to jump through your hoops then why don't you list or point to whatever criteria you find satisfactory to identify a cult. Then I'll tell you if it is valid. I just don't happen to have a copy of Singers book on hand. I have read some of her online stuff and frankly it doesn't seem her criteria is very different from others I have seen. In fact Islam fits most criteria on almost every list available. Muhammad's behavior certainly qualifies.

I was a member of C.S.I.C.O.P. going way back in the 70's. My father is a psychologist and he used to be involved in sending people undercover into mental institutions and debunking cults. My sister actually joined T.M. as a learning experience on cults (I didn't join because I thought it was hogwash without going 'undercover'). I too took psychology courses in college. I have been reading about cults on and off for many years. More exposure than one would normally get in college.

Knowing what a cult is, is not rocket science.

I am not inclined to play your games because I'm used to intellectual (or should I say faith based) weasel behavoir. If I pick the criteria then you will move the goal posts the minute I do. In fact you already did. You didn't like the list I gave you of cult like behavior. I can easily tick of examples of Islam meeting those criteria. But that wouldn't make you happy now would it?

Since you find goal post moving to your liking I want to nail you down first. Let's first agree on the criteria for a cult. Once we agree on that then I will proceed to show you which criteria Islam and Muhammad meet. It's a waste of time otherwise.

Brian Macker

Perhaps this will be helpful to unglue your tongue, Vavoom: http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50218.htm

Mick

no one know what he talking about, and no one know what is islam

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